The TP / Fungo Split: The Real Reason Fungo is Gone

[Arcade]

As someone who has not only watched the drama from both sides, but also been tied up in a lot of similar internet-related drama, I have to say, laying everything out bare is probably the best way to dispel rumors. I think the silence is what's really aggravating the more hateful people.

A similar incident happened with The Nostalgia Critic a few years ago with his website's affiliation with Noah Antweiler (The Spoony One) where the website gave a statement about Noah similar to the made-up one above, and Noah admitted in a commentary that he left due to various reasons. Either way, despite doing damage control, everything still exploded into a massive, uncontrollable poo-poo. The prognosis is pretty grim, but even with all these "controversies" flying around the net, people always forget and move on. It's just troubling when people continue to spark more rumors that make it all flare up again.

However I think a video is the worst way to do it, and it would only land more ire from everyone who's taken sides. I'd recommend a carefully-written text-based blog (website)? Post. That way, there can be no misunderstandings. Even something along the lines of "Fungo and us didn't agree and we didn't like his behavior, so he was asked to leave, and we don't want to hate on him or start internet arguements or anything, but we wanted to dispell rumors and let everybody decide for themselves."

4. Nothing will stop the haters, this is TP we're talking about. At best any public statements will only serve to bolster the confidence of friends and fans, or at least reassure them

I think no matter what you do (even if its do nothing) the youtube comments will still be out of control. So all we can do is brace ourselves.

[Mirrormove]

Here's a video from LegacyZero's point of view.

I'm going to continue to follow Fungo and Twin-Perfect because I enjoy their work, and I don't know who this LegacyZero guy is, but I absolutely HATE this idea, the idea that you need to be "nice" when critiquing art. In TRSHE, you're not attacking Mr. Hewlett personally. He's probably a great guy in real life. He's a hero to children and the elderly. But upon analysis, his work (to emphasize this specific, succinct work...works) were found to be lacking. It was a downright slackarmed sputum.

Way too many people get personally offended when something they like is criticized, when really taking the things you like and wrapping them up with your ego is psychologically unhealthy. It keeps happening. You see it again in this whole Gamergate thing, (Not that I'm defending journalistic impropriety, disclosure tracing, or corporate sabotage. Those things are inexcusable, Zoe Quinn.) But somehow that gave people the excuse to lump Anita Sarkeesian in with Quinn, despite the only thing they have in common is they happen to be feminists. In some people's minds, she's just as bad as a unethical, indie game developer just because she wanted to protect gamers from crap tropes.

[Servbot 42]

One thing is for sure, we will probably never get the whole truth so all we have is what Fungo has said, whatever that is. I am one of those fans that knew nothing behind the scenes, just the TRSHE vids and Fungo doing lets plays. Other than that I'm in the dark, and Fungo has the upper hand because of what he talked about and TP hasn't. I know he bad mouthed a lot and spread what I now hear are rumors, but TP keeping quiet doesn't help them. I realize saying nothing is good as to not agitate anyone and also let the past go, but TP's silence makes them look bad right now with the whole split up.

[Phan-Thomas]

Woah, I only now saw this thread... It is a very difficult thing to approach. Fungo kind of got a headstart by getting his side out of the way a while back. Like I said under his comment on Facebook still stands, we don't know both sides of the story, everybody wants to be viewed as the "good guy". But sometimes there is no "good guy/bad guy" situation.

I think it should be addressed, since you guys are facing a lot of heat at the moment. And I don't know if only I have this impression, his fans seem to be mostly women(well, more girls than women I guess) and I have seen this "defend him, no matter what" with Beliebers and some German Youtube-"personalities", they just don't wanna hear the other side. Some people are just frick up that way.

So, yeah, I got to know TP with Fungo involved and I think the "couch format" of TRSHE made many people, myself included, feel like we knew each other like buddies from school or something like that. So it is sad to see you guys this way but I understand sometimes there is no going back.

So I still want to follow Fungo but I don't like Let's Plays necessarily. I am more intersted in Rosses "snark" with Fridge Logic and all that. Also Fuzh!

Sorry for the long text, I guess what I wanted to say is: I would like to know what happened and Fungo forced you into a corner and I think you have to get yourself out of there.

By the way: I think LegacyZero's video kind of prooves TP's story, that there was abuse in the relationship on Fungo's side.

ALso I think, even though yes, LegacyZero's video is pretty fair if of course biased. I think a video in that style would be a great way to get it across.

[Mirrormove]

Maybe you shouldn't go into detail. That ZeroLegacy video criticizing TP for being "unprofessional" then going into detail about people's personal lives seemed really unprofessional itself.

I think it might be best to leave it as "Fungo's involvement with TP ended this year" and leave it at that.

[TengenToppaDodge2461]

I think you should come out with your side of the story. Say how you saw it from your point of view.

[raspberrykraken]

In the game of the Internet you either get famous or you see yourself get turned into a cartoonish villain.

[HellfireAnimus]

I have to admit complete ignorance here. I had no idea any of this was happening -- I did briefly wonder why Fungo had stopped appearing in Twin Perfect videos, but shrugged it off as just him deciding to work on his own videos instead. Shame he found it necessary to act the way he did, and I'm sorry the other side had to go through that.

At the end of the day I think it's up to you guys whether you want to tell the whole story. Of what I've been able to look up, you were absolutely right and you didn't deserve a bit of what happened. I'm going to support you guys no matter what you choose to do. If you want to tell your side of the story, that's fine, and if you want to put it behind yourself, that's fine too. You guys make consistently good calls on everything else, I trust you on this.

I'm very confused and highly annoyed by the number of people who understate Versiris' work for the channel -- I think sadly enough a lot of this goes back to plain, ugly old misogyny. There'd be nobody -- or at least barely anybody -- questioning the arrival of a new male member to the team. I don't think she needs to "prove herself" or go out of her way to establish anything; she's part of Twin Perfect, it's (in part) her channel, full stop. If a minority of people can't see how awesome she is, that's their problem.

[SheyGrell]

As with a lot of other people from the looks of it, I have to admit that my knowledge on this ordeal is limited at best. But y'know what I've seen? The usual kind of mindless anger upon having one's complacency taken away, only this has gone out of control. By that, I mean the same stupid drama that most fanbases will throw at any kind of change, another example being the replacement of Danny over JonTron in Game Grumps.
In this case though, the stupidity seems to have been directed. To be a bit overly poetic or just pretentious in my meanings here, this is hatred that has actually been refined down to an almost razor sharp edge, meant to cut really deep. The worst part, though? It's been directed at TP, but without a specific sense of direction. It's literally just 'hack away at anything you can.' And all because of a rumour started by one person? If this all goes back to him... Does that man actually understand what he faces being accused of? The potential ruination he could be responsible for? This isn't just careless. This is evil.

Rosseter, From what you've already said on previous threads, I know you already have a lot of responsibility to deal with. I can only imagine the effect all this must have on you, and whether or not you need anyone to say this, I am so sorry that you find yourself in this position.
Here's what I can see; It doesn't take rocket science to see that you're no bad guy here. Between the one who's blocking people & the one who's taking the time to think about how he's to explain everything, which one would I be more inclined to believe?
The evidence does not stack in your favour, Fungo.
I wish I could give some advice, outside of honesty is the best policy. But hey, laying out the facts looks to be a specialty so I'm sure the solution will come to you soon enough.

Versiris, I will admit that I haven't seen many of the videos that involve you, but after some of the comments I read on the ones I have, my initial reaction was confusion. That is, until I saw the rumours that were going around. Then all became clear; One-note complaints, arguments that were trying to prove a point they didn't have & incessant whining; It all said the same thing. "She's not Fungo." That's basically it, if not just crude ways of saying that TP is strictly "a guy thing".
As far as I'm concerned, there's not a thing wrong with you or the presence you have in TP, and at least when it comes to TRSHE, you wouldn't be cosplaying as Dr. Caroll from Perfect Dark.

Fuzh... I got nothing since we haven't spoken yet. Terribly sorry about that >.> Although you do have some awesome facial hair.
Actually, if someone's asked this already then apologies for missing it, but what is his stance in this? I'm asking because I genuinely have no clue. That's all.

True, everybody in this place is here to support you in some form or another, be it financial or moral, or perhaps both, but it pays to remember that unfortunately we live in an age where this:

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gets more attention than this:

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Ladies & gentlemen, I bring you one of the many nutshells in which you can use to describe the internet. You may cry now.

Whatever you guys do, we're here to help show you that you're not some disease that needs to be purged. As far as my own view goes, I may not show it by being a patriot, but you've earned my trust & I'm sure others here feel the same.
To hell with the schemes, the blame & the gravely misguided hate you've earned. It reminds me of the behaviour from school bullies, so bored with their own existence that they watch & wait for anything they can use as ammunition against you.

[Rosseter]

After reading your comments and hearing your thoughts on whether we should publicly state the reasons Fungo is not a part of TP anymore, we've decided to relate the entire story to you guys in this private section of our forum to hear how you feel about the issue itself, as well as any revised opinions on whether it should be public after hearing the truth of the matter.

Fungo's removal from Twin Perfect is a sensitive issue, and we thought it best that it wasn't discussed publicly. Our personal issues are not the internet's business, but Fungo recently took it upon himself to reveal that personal information, colored to make himself appear the victim in the situation, and this forces me to defend myself with the truth. Both Fungo and his friend LegacyZero have asserted that the reason Fungo is out is because of some "relationship drama" (as LegacyZero puts it) between Fungo's girlfriend, Fungo, and me, causing Fungo to "leave". The truth is that this personal "drama" has nothing to do with Twin Perfect's discontent with Fungo's behavior as a member of the group and his subsequent removal. The real issue goes back to before Twin Perfect ever launched.

Fungo, Fuzh and I wanted to go into business together making video reviews and showing off our talents, and I constructed Twin Perfect as a way of making that happen. Our first project, the way we would announce ourselves to the internet, was TRSHE. Fungo had originally planned to create a documentary for his Silent Hill Media site celebrating Silent Hill's tenth anniversary and talking about how great the series was (ALL of the series at that point, which included Origins and the first movie). Seeing the discussions Fungo was having with members of his Silent Hill forum, I thought it might be better to correct misconceptions about the series and point out where it had gone wrong, so I began by explaining to Fungo why post-Team Silent games weren't exactly correct, making my points to him during the writing of the script.

LegacyZero mentions that I'm the reason Twin Perfect videos are so negative, and if "negative" means turning a celebration into a harsh criticism, then I wear that accusation proudly. Fungo may have thought differently about the project than I did, but to this day he never once indicated to me that that might have been the case. This unexpressed difference of opinion may have led to what followed our writing of TRSHE.

After writing and shooting the original TRSHE videos, I took over all of the editing, sound, and effects since Fungo was having troubles in his personal life and was unable to contribute. This included writing and shooting all of parts 4 and 10 and pieces of 11-12, since for part 4, 11, and 12 I had caught some arguments that hadn't been made and for part 10 Fungo was unable to play SHAZAM without a Wii (he did eventually play it after editing was done and agreed with all points made). The project took me an entire year since I was teaching myself how to edit video and create effects. I would attempt to contact Fungo to let him know how the project was going, but these discussions were few and far between. Fungo never once contacted me to ask how it was going. I asked Fungo if he could use whatever free time he had during that year to create more content for Twin Perfect so that we could have a back-catalogue of videos to release after launch. Fungo agreed that this was a good idea and began making reviews. I assisted him with editing techniques, some of which he liked from TRSHE and wanted to duplicate for the videos he was working on.

During all of this time, Fungo and I didn't have much contact. He would disappear for long stretches, and I attributed this to the troubles in his personal life. Fuzh would assist me in shooting additions and coding our website. As Fuzh was finishing up the site and I was approaching completion on TRSHE, one month before Twin Perfect and TRSHE went live, Fungo released all of the content he agreed to make for Twin Perfect on his new Fungo Review YouTube channel with all credit to himself. Fuzh and I were so upset that we almost refused to put TRSHE on the net. This was the first of many subversive actions on Fungo's part, and Fuzh and I still regret that we didn't recognize this as a warning sign of how Fungo would conduct business with Twin Perfect. Had we known, we would not have come to the agreement that TRSHE and Twin Perfect would launch if Fungo disabled his Fungo Review channel with the promise that he could release the videos on the Twin Perfect channel later.

A quote from the last conversation I had with Fungo, three years after this incident:

Didn't you get the hint that when I left to work on Fungo Review that I DIDN'T want to work with you?

Fungo's relationship with Twin Perfect continued much in the same way as it had during the editing of TRSHE. Fungo would sometimes spend weeks at a time out of contact, and when he was present to work on projects it wasn't very much. Still, I made excuses for it, thinking that it was only because of difficulties in his personal life. I was happy to share Twin Perfect with my friend, even if he was unable to work very much. And yet, Fungo seemed to spend alot of time working on projects for himself (Fungo Reviews, Senor Fungo, Whatcha Gripin' Willie, etc.) without any input from me, where I would try to involve him in every single project I did. I tried (TRIED) to make sure every project had input from Fungo, even going so far as to share the spotlight on the Terminator Fridge Logic with him. He never showed me the same courtesy. I spent years of my life doing most of the work on Twin Perfect projects under the Twin Perfect banner and sharing all of the credit with Fungo, and Fungo would only ever do any work for himself under his own banner.

Fungo's girlfriend later told me he would spend copious amounts of his free time playing video games.

Fungo's refusal to be an active part of Twin Perfect came to a head during production of the SH HD Collection and Downpour reviews. We accepted money from Twin Perfect fans to create these reviews, and I am still appalled at how long it took to release them. The writing of the HD Collection review was almost entirely on my shoulders from the beginning. You'll notice that during the intro of that review, I hold up a copy of both games while Fungo only holds up Downpour; Fungo didn't have a copy of the HD Collection at that time, so how could he write a review of it? This I excused as before, still willing to share the credit and write with him. That writing took six months due to his inactivity. The Downpour review was the same story, except this time Fungo had a copy of the game. Fungo would drop in to write two paragraphs (with my help) in a day and then disappear for two weeks. I would write two pages in a day and wait for his input. I felt the pressure of our responsibility to the fans getting heavier and heavier as time went on, and I expressed my discontent with the progress to Fungo. Fungo responded:

They've already waited a whole year for this review. They can wait another two weeks.

People who have seen Fungo's patreon video will note that out of all the videos in TRSHE, he takes special pride in being the "co-creator" of those two reviews in particular, even though he had little more involvement in their creation than TRSHE parts 4 and 10.

I think Fungo's attitude towards working on Twin Perfect can best be expressed in the last conversation I had with him. Keep in mind, tensions were high during this conversation:

(edited down to the relevant parts)
Rosseter: i've worked tirelessly for years to build [Twin Perfect] up to what it is, expecting you to be right there with me all along, but you haven't been there when i needed you most. whenever i tried to talk to you about any of it, you'd throw it right back at me and say it was all me being selfish and it was somehow my fault for relying on you
Fungo: Well I always had a life to maintain outside TP. (40+ hour jobs, girlfriend, family) To keep up with you, I'd burn out. You never could understand that.
(...)
Rosseter: what i asked of you was not unreasonable
Fungo: I think it was unreasonable. How about that?
Rosseter: you would always always promise we'd work on your day off or after work, but when that day or time came, you would either not even contact me all that day or tell me you weren't going to do it [Note: Fungo would make definite plans to work on projects together and then not contact me for days at a time after standing me up. Later, his girlfriend would inform me that he had been playing video games for hours every night]
Fungo: When you came home after your 40+ hours job, you didn't want to work on anything, you just wanted to stare at a wall or relax.
Rosseter: i can think of countless times where i waited for you all day only to find you had no intention of showing
Fungo: I don't want to feel obligated to tell you
(...)
Rosseter: but when you make a promise, you are obliged to tell someone if you don't intend to keep it
Rosseter: this has been going on for years, Fungo
Fungo: But you always demend an answer
Fungo: I can't get away usually without telling what time when we're going to work or talk again
Fungo: And that has been going on for years
Rosseter: so you're saying i should have learned not to rely on you long ago?
Rosseter: i was always there, and i am always here
(...)
Fungo: You never ASKED for me. All those times I was switting in the room playing games, I was just WAITING for you to ask Bronze to talk to me to work on something.
Rosseter: you know i'm always here and always ready
Rosseter: but if i ask, then i'm wrong because you have a life and a job and all these things, so i can't ask
Rosseter: damned if i do and if i don't
Rosseter: for 3 years i get on and i ask and you can't, so i wait until you tel me you can, that's the way it's always been
Rosseter: if i show initiative, i'm a slave driver
Fungo: I'm sorry, but it got sick when that became your life.
Rosseter: and you said nothing
Fungo: You have all your own projects, you know you can work on them
(...)
Fungo: you can't blame me when things don't get done. You make your own future and if you want something done bad enough, you'd get it done with or without me. You done that many times before and hold that against me. I never inteded to hold you back from doing your own projects, but I guess I did. Just the knowing that you're going to talk to me sometime in the day is enough for you to waste it waiting for me. And if you don't attribute that to our friendship - if you aren't personnally hurt when I don't show up to work - then I'll be damned
Rosseter: the only thing i've ever held against you are promises you didn't keep
Fungo: Well, I can't make promises that I know I can't keep anymore.
(...)
Fungo: This is a long story... In my life, I have moved around so many times. I have met people and lost people, people have always came and went. When I moved from AZ I thought we were never going to talk again. Then when we did start talking again, the long distance was tough. When you showed me what you could do with my music, with my videos, when you started pitching these great ideas to me you got me all motivated and I saw the possibilities of what we both could accomplish. I started talking to you more, but long distance is tough, life is unpredicable, things happen, (... Fungo lists some personal issues...). Then when I was done stressing about that I just wanted to sleep or play games or watch movies to hide from the tension. I wanted to be your friend after you held on and showed me you wanted me. You made me feel important. You motivated me and made me feel like I had great ideas, like I could go anywhere. I moved to be with you in AZ so we could work and perhaps get somewhere in life. Yeah, I was crappy to you and kept you waiting and did a lot of crappy things. it's no excuse, but my life has been very turbulent and I felt I always had trouble getting all that across to you because you were sheltered and didn't know or could not possibly begin to understand what my life has been. I wanted to be your friend, I wanted what you wanted, but sometimes you pushed your ideas a little too much onto me, or took my ideas and changed them into your ideas. I felt abused all the times you shot down my opinions and ideas. I just don't know how to explain it
Fungo: Yes, I wanted to be your friend, why do you think I moved all the way back to AZ?
Rosseter: and yet you didn't stay long
Rosseter: and the short time you were here, you never saw me
Fungo: I didn't have a car. You could have just showed up any time.
Rosseter: here's the information i've garnered from this conversation:
- you never wanted to be involved from even before tp launched
- you didn't expect tp to generate money very quickly at all, showing you had no faith in it
- you didn't expect to be involved all the way to the point where tp generated money
- you expected me to do all the work and fill in the tp library with my own projects while simultaneously doing 90% of the work on the ones we did "together", receiving half the credit and adulation
- you never intended to keep your promises
- you think i'm sick for having waited for you to do something you never intended to take seriously
- i'm wrong to have relied on you for anything or believed things you've said
- you did crappy things to me, and you expect forgiveness without apology or intention of making it up
(...)
Rosseter: all i know is that i've been the most trustworthy, honest, hardworking person, and i've always always been here for you to rely on and get everything done for you, and you have just informed me that you had no intention of returning that
Rosseter: i've been an amazing friend and i never did anything to intentionally hurt you
Rosseter: i'm herer now, i was here yesterday, i'll probably be here tomorrow too
Fungo: Of course I did! But I wanted to get my life together so that I can focus on making a set schedule first. Now my life is todether and I'm feeling more comfortable with saying we can work Wednesday and Thurday every week
(...)
Rosseter: after 9 years i'm supposed to expect things will change?
Fungo: Yet you still reached out to me
Rosseter: you don't seem to realize what that means
Rosseter: after all that, i STILL believed in you and forgave you
Fungo: I never had enough security to stand on solid enough ground to set our foundation without it crumbling. We were waiting for me to get a placre, a job with a set schedule and keep it, so that we could start our podcasts and anything else
(...)
Fungo: It took a long time, I'm sorry, and I'm sorry if you felt I was hurting you for so long
Fungo: I have ASKED you to edit the video
Fungo: And you would never let me go and do it, you wanted to do the editing
Rosseter: you asked if there was anything you could do on the downpour review, and i told you what you could do, and you agreed, and then it didn't happen [Note: I asked Fungo to edit together just twenty seconds of clips from Silent Hill games. Two weeks later, after I'd gone and done it for him, his girlfriend informed me he'd been playing video games for hours every night instead. This was always the case]
Fungo: There's just so much frustration right now, I feel you'll never understand the way you are, the way you act, and why you don't have friends because of it
(...)
Fungo: I suck with keeping in touch with people, but after what I painstakingly explained you should understand why. I still feel like I'm not getting through to you
Rosseter: because i never asked anything unreasonable of you
Rosseter: and even after, STILL willing to forgive and forget
Fungo: Fuzh has done that to you several times. You act like I'm the only one
Fungo: It's just that it seems like its more frequent with me because we talked more
Rosseter: and i forgive and forget
Rosseter: he knows exactly how i feel about it
(...)
Rosseter: and if that's how you choose to do business, if the past 3 years and 6 of preparation before it is how you choose to do business, then that's not something i can accept any longer
(...)
Fungo: I never liked the way you chose to do business, you run business like a robot
(...)
Rosseter: business has to be run like a robot
Rosseter: otherwise there are legal problems
Rosseter: such as these
Fungo: I don't agree
(...)
Fungo: You're possessive, controlling, and unaccepting.
(...)
Rosseter: if i ask and you agree and then you don't do it, my expecting you to do it is controlling
Rosseter: if that's your definition, then i am
Rosseter: i've been the same person for years and years
Rosseter: you know who i am
Rosseter: if you had a problem, it could've been solved years ago
Rosseter: and we're past that now
(...)
Rosseter: there is no agreement to be reached here
Fungo: I already knew that there wasn't going to be an agreement.
Fungo is now playing Sonic Generations
Fungo: I'm going to play this to calm down a little

The revelation that Fungo never wanted to be part of Twin Perfect and his repeated pattern of working on videos only for himself, disappearing for long periods, promising to work on projects with me and then blowing it off to play video games, and generally not treating me as well as I treated him led to my decision that Fungo was not a person I wanted to work with anymore. Fungo apparently refuses to believe he was at fault, chosing instead to blame my "betrayal" on personal issues. Those personal issues were merely the straw that broke the camel's back.

This leads us back to Fungo and LegacyZero's assertion that Fungo split from Twin Perfect over my attempt to "steal Fungo's girlfriend". The reality of the situation was much more dire. Just before the split, I found out about the abuse that LegacyZero revealed. Fungo had been abusing his girlfriend, and that abuse began long before I ever met her. LecacyZero mentions emotional/verbal abuse and some physical abuse, and to say that he downplays the abuse would be an understatement, especially where he says that, "There was a little bit of physical abuse, but I don't think that was as much of an issue," and, "It wasn't that bad."

I will not go into the extent of that abuse or offer any details. This is one reason we have been so quiet on the issue; it's not fair to Bronze. What happens between Fungo and Bronze is not the internet rumor mill's business. As LegacyZero says in his video, "Is it necessary for anyone to know any of this? Probably not." I will only point out that the abuse was bad enough to drive her away from him and seek refuge at LegacyZero's house. It was bad enough for her to decide that she wanted me to come and get her out of there. I was concerned for her safety, and so we made plans to make that happen as there was nowhere else for her to go. I didn't see any alternative, and neither did the few people that knew about all of this.

When Fungo found out about our plan, he changed all the passwords on the Twin Perfect accounts, locking Fuzh and me out, and put his personal banking information into the Google Adsense account. Up to that point, it hadn't been decided how Twin Perfect's advertising money would be divided between the three of us, so no bank info was entered. Fungo's reasoning must have been that since I was about to steal his girlfriend away from him, he would steal Twin Perfect's earnings.

Let me repeat that, because it bears repeating. Fungo changed all the passwords, locking Fuzh and me out of the accounts, and signed all of the ad money over to himself. He forcibly took control of all of our hard work, the work for which he had been receiving undue credit for years. He took control of the thing I'd been working on for the entirety of my adult life. That was the end of it. Fuzh and I contacted Google and took control of the account back. We sent Fungo a contract with the terms of his termination, we all signed it, and Fungo was out.

A few weeks after that was the trip Fuzh and I took across country to get Bronze away from the abuse. When we got there, Fungo acted strangely. He helped us load her things into the car, hugged the both of us, and asked if we could talk about letting him back into Twin Perfect when we got home. Before we could leave, Bronze decided to stay. We unloaded her things and drove home, and that was that. When we got home, we transferred Twin-Perfect.com from Fungo's server to another and Fungo sent us this message:

I don't want either of you to contact me or Bronze ever again.

And I haven't talked to him since.

Nine years of bad treatment, broken commitments, and broken promises. The revelation of their abusive relationship. The hostile takeover and attempted theft of TP's ad money. These are the real reasons Fungo is not a member of Twin Perfect anymore. Perhaps this all could have been avoided if I had recognized Fungo's behavior early on. It's a harsh thing to say and it makes me sad to say it, but after the treatment Fungo gave me over the years before Twin Perfect my only regret is going into business with him in the first place.

EDIT: This thread only exists because Fungo threw a tantrum over nothing. Recently, Fungo threw another overreactive tantrum about how awful Twin Perfect is and how many lies we tell in order to make himself look like a victim in this situation, which you can read about on Page 12 of this thread.